Desmanthus Illinoensis

[M⊙nad]

Desmanthus illinoensis

Phytochemistry
The root-bark of D. illinoensis, which accounts for half of the total weight of the root system, is reported to contain anywhere from 0 to 0.34% DMT and 0.11% N-Methyltryptamine. Alkaloid content is highly variable in this species. Likewise, root bark of Desmanthus leptolobus has been found to contain N,N-DMT and related tryptamines. While its only reported quantitative analysis was 0.14% (Appleseed), all instances of co-occurrence with D. illinoensis showed it to be noticeably stronger than D. illinoensis, according to co-thin layer chromatography of the root bark.

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In its native range in the United States, the Land Institute is selectively breeding the widely-distributed Illinois bundleflower (Desmanthus illinoensis) to be a perennial seed crop for human food, in addition to forage / pasture. It offers many of the advantages in terms of nutrition, protein and nitrogen fixation as soybeans or alfalfa, but as a perennial. Perennial crops tend to require less input of chemicals and energy, and less weed control, for comparable or higher yields to annuals in many systems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmanthus

..as far as i know Johnny Appleseed and others got ok DMT yields from D. illinoensis in the early '90s..
Psychedelic Illuminations magazine (C.A.) put the theoretical yield at 0.3%..
some times of year have been said to be mainly NMT..

most of what i've read does indicate that Desmanthus leptolobus is the stronger species, and more consistent..

(see also Desmanthus Illinoensis Where Are You? thread in General Information https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/d...aspx?g=posts&t=23833 in which amor-fati recommends D. leptolobus)

..it may contain some Gramine, but this isn't proven to be particularly toxic as far as i know, and is water soluble so easy to remove..

gramine freebase should be insoluble in water, according to merck. Its said to be practically insoluble in pet ether so a naphtha/heptane/hexane re-x (or two or three) should be the best way to separate them I think.

while D. illinoensis is published as having more DMT (0.34%DMT, 0.11%NMT, traces gramine & indole-acetic acid), Trout and others say that D. leptolobus is the more consistent and higher yileding species..may also have traces gramine and some NMT
..i can't find any alkaloid info. about D. pernambucanus,
D. cooleyi had traces of DMT, and D. velutinus sometimes small amounts [Applessed 1993;Van Heiden 1998 ) ..it is possible that low yields in D. illinoensis could have been due to mis-identification of these other species..it grows as far north as Canada
..northern explorer, this plant can take snow, but dies back to the roots over winter..from '90s reports i think it is worth experimenting with..
fall would seem the time to harvest..acacia experimenters are used to having to working out what the ideal seasonal time is..

also, because Desmanthuses are small plants, they are suited to indoor or hydroponic growing
techniques.. (suggest plenty of nitrogen)

in extraction techniques it is worth exploring full spectrum non-polar solvents like xylene, d-limonene, or maybe
hexane..these can bring out higher yields than napatha, & gramine is only trace and not a real issue..

..a Lycaeum mod recently suggested (partly based on past extraction) that in D. illinoensis, spring would be the time higher in NMT, and fall the time of more DMT..this has yet to be verified, but has evidence..Ott(1994) got 0.18%dmt
of D. leptolobus, Trout's Notes says: "It was first successfully bioassayed on 28 November, 1992 by Mr. Johnny Appleseed, who had just discovered it to contain DMT." he found 0.14%dmt, apparently can be higher...

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default. ... ts&t=25867

Desmanthus illinoensis
>up to 0.34% DMT roots: Thompson, Alonzo C., Gilles F. Nicollier & Daniel F. Pope 1987 Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry 35: 361-365. "Indolealkylamines of Desmanthus illinoensis and Their Growth Inhibition Activity."
reports of lower amounts (e.g. 0.14%)

Desmathus leptolobus is said to be higher in tryptamine levels
>DMT/NMT: Appleseed, Johnny 1992-1996 cited by http://trout.yage.net/sc...ptolobus_references.htm

Largely unpublished research. Desmanthus leptolobus information has appeared, among other places, in the 1993a Entheogen Review 2 (2): 26-27, "Ayahuasca analogues experiences." and in 1993b Integration 4: 59-62, "Ayahuasca analog plant complexes of the temperate zone: Phalaris arundinacea and the Desmanthus spec."
The latter piece also exists as an undated privately distributed manuscript.
[Extraction: simmering with hot HCl (pH 3), ammonia used to basify, CH2Cl2 recovered the alkaloid fraction. Co-tlc used known reference standards. TLC developed with Methylene chloride-Methanol-Concentrated Ammonia (80:15:1); run on Whatman Silica Gel 60 plates. Visualization of alkaloids: used Ehrlichs and/or Xanthydrol as spray reagents.]

Just to complement the information posted before:

Desmanthus illinoensis
http://www.discoverlife.org/nh/maps/Pla ... oensis.jpg
http://bonap.net/MapGallery/County/Desm ... oensis.png
http://apiosinstitute.org/sites/default ... 20seed.jpg
http://www.southeasternflora.com/images ... 45_500.jpg

- 0.34% in Root bark (dried) and 0.01 % in Root wood (dried) (Thompson et al. 1987) Substantially less is usually encountered. Sometimes none. (Trout's Notes)

Desmanthus leptolobus
http://www.discoverlife.org/nh/maps/Pla ... olobus.jpg
http://bonap.net/MapGallery/County/Desm ... olobus.png
http://www.noble.org/AppFiles/PlantImag ... b261-3.jpg
http://plants.usda.gov/gallery/pubs/dele2_001_php.jpg

- 0.14% yield of alkaloid. Identified by Johnny Appleseed 1992. TLC also tested positive 1993- 1995.
- Isolated and Bioassayed as pharmahoasca by J. Appleseed on 28 Nov., 1992.
- Isolated from Central Texas material and bioassayed as partially crystalline free base. Identity confirmed in bioassays by others, 1994 (ref Trout's Notes)

Desmanthus velutinus
http://www.discoverlife.org/nh/maps/Pla ... utinus.jpg
http://bonap.net/MapGallery/County/Desm ... utinus.png
http://w3.biosci.utexas.edu/prc/HaysFlo ... /DEVE2.jpg

- some tested positive but more tested negative. TLC by J. Appleseed ,1992 (ref Trout's Notes)

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default. ... ts&t=37699

Alcune foto di una D. illinoensis di due anni e mezzo cresciuta nel Nord Italia:
https://www.anony.ws/image/JnQe
https://www.anony.ws/image/JnQl
https://www.anony.ws/image/JnQ3

La D. leptolobus e le Acace australiane sembra essere piu' promettenti, ma tanto vale continuare con l'esperimento...

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Monad hai trovato un sacco di fonti, Grazie!
Io sto avendo moltissimi problemi con la loro crescita... germinano senza problemi e dopo pochi giorni muoiono??? Sai cosa potrebbe essere?

[M⊙nad]

Non ne ho idea. So che quelle dell'esperimento erano cresciute molto facilmente, poi una volta interrate sono state praticamente abbandonate e solo quella fotografata e' sopravvissuta.